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Re: ELLUL - christiane Charrel - 15-11-2011
bonsoir
il y a parfois sur les relevés des mariages et des
notaires 'Mattia' pour les hommes
pas Mattea
a+
Re : ELLUL - massajosy2002 - 15-11-2011
Mattea SALIBA est la mère de Vincenza
je n avais mis que les colonnes concernant les ELLUL pas les époux
josyanne
Re: ELLUL - farrugiamichele - 15-11-2011
Merci Josyanne,
Entretemps, je suis allée sur le listing notaire et j'ai compris qu'il
manquait un morceau dans le message.
michèle
Re : XUEREB DE TU NIS - massajosy2002 - 16-11-2011
MESSAGE JUSTE RECU
si qq un peut aider ?
j ai l impression que le Annunziato BORG me concerne aussi ??
JOSYANNE
came across your post regarding the Xuereb name. My 3rd great grandmother,
Maria Xuereb married Annunziato Borg and were living in Tunis, Tunisia in 1843.
They had a son, Giuseppe Borg, in that same year. In 1846 they gave birth to my
2nd great grandmother, Margarita Borg, in Balzan, Malta.
I am not certain
if they had originated in Tunisia and then relocated to Balzan or if they had
only temporarily lived in Tunis and then returned to Balzan. There is no
marriage record for them in Malta. And, as of today, I haven't been able to find
a marriage record for them in Tunis. I have only searched one database on-line
for their marriage in Tunis. That link is here:
http://www.geneanum.com/tunisie/bases/mariages.html
Last
night I wrote to the Catholic Diocese in Tunis and haven't yet received a reply.
I assume that they were Catholic, although I am not certain.
I'm not sure
of how or where to search next. I read about inquiring at l'Etat-Civil in Tunis,
but also heard several stories of being directed back to the diocese. So I'm not
sure if that would be a waste of time or not.
In summary, Annunziato Borg
and Maria Xuereb probably married in the late 1830s or early 1840s. And, as I
had stated above, there is no evidence of them marrying in Malta.
Their son was
born in Tunis, Tunisia in 1843 and their daughter was born in Balzan, Malta in
1846. I'm aware of any other children, although it's quite
possible.
Would you possibly have any information for my ancestors that
you might be able to share with me? Or, perhaps you might make a suggestion of
how or where I might search next.
Also, it would be very appreciated if
you might be able to lend a little insight on the origin of each surname. I know
Borg is common in Malta, but I don't know from where Borg or Xuereb
originates.
Thank you for any help that you might be able to
provide.
Best regards,
Frank SAMMUT
Re : Re : Re : [M alte-Genea logieXUERE B DE TUNIS - juliusborg - 17-11-2011
For Frank Sammut:
You will find the following details of the origina of the Borg surname in Maltagenealogy.com as follows:-
Origins: The possible origins of the Noble House of Borg, may have derived from the once Powerful
Papal and later Spanish
Ducal family of Borgia.
An extract of the Borgia
family are posted in Interesting connection.
The earliest Know Borg in my
record is a Luca Borg in 1538. Though still looking for that origin which will
provide the
answer to why there are so many Borgs in Europe (from Sweden to
Spain and in Malta)
Reference:
1. Genealogy
It is very difficult to find the correct origin as you may be aware that along the North African the are little villages which have the name Borg in them such as 'Borg el Arab', it is even used in the Arab Emirates area as 'Burj'. Whilst in Europe, I understand, the meaning rages from fortification, such as castle, village or even to a simple mound of stones.
Cheers, Julius Borg, the Maltese of Egypt family tree man
P.S. I have now reached the 4/5 of a century, the memory is not as good as it used to be. Please do not hesitate to remind me of any questions/queries you may have put to me and I have not answered.
Re : XUEREB DE TUNIS - christiane Charrel - 17-11-2011
bonjour la liste
comment fait on pour comprendre quand on est nulle
en anglais ?
christiane
Re : XUEREB DE TUNIS - hugues0411 - 17-11-2011
Tu copies-colles le texte dans BABELFISH que tu trouves facilement sur
internet,
Tu choisis langue dorigine langue de destination
Tu fais Entrée
Et tu noublies pas de mettre Babelfish dans tes favoris.
Allez, tiens... voilà le lien!
http://fr.babelfish.yahoo.com/
Amitiés
Hugues
Re : Re : Re : [M alte-Genea logieXUERE B DE TUNIS - juliusborg - 17-11-2011
Pour Christiane,
En peut faire la traduction par l'entremise de GOOGLE. Etant donner que la reponse etait pour Frank Sammut, qui a fait la demande en Anglais, alors la reponse lui est dus en Anglais.
Pour Frank Sammut:
Vous trouverez les détails suivants sur l'origin du nom de famille Borg en Maltagenealogy.com comme suit: -
Origines: Les origines possibles de la maison noble de Borg, peut-être dérivé de la fois puissant papal et plus tard en espagnol
La famille ducale de Borgia.
Un extrait de la famille Borgia sont affichés en 'lien intéressant».
Les premiers Savoir Borg dans mon dossier est un Borg Luca en 1538. Bien que toujours à la recherche pour cette origine, qui fournira les
réponse à pourquoi il ya tant de Borgs en ??Europe (de la Suède à l'Espagne et à Malte)
référence:
1. Généalogie
Il est très difficile de trouver l'origine exacte que vous savez peut-être que le long de l'Afrique du Nord sont des petits villages qui ont le nom de Borg en eux comme «Borg el Arab», il est même utilisé dans la région Emirats arabes comme «Burj ». Alors qu'en Europe, je comprends, la rage sens de l'enrichissement, comme le château, le village ou même d'un monticule de pierres simples.
Cordialement, Julius Borg, l'homme des arbre généalogique des Maltais nees en Egypte
P.S. I have now reached the 4/5 of a century, the memory is not as good as it used to be. Please do not hesitate to remind me of any questions/queries you may have put to me and I have not answered.
Re : XUEREB DE TUNIS - massajosy2002 - 17-11-2011
merci Julius
j ai trouvé sur tunis :
Annunziatio Salvatore BORG x Maria XUEREB
DONT
Giuseppe was born in Tunis, in 1843
daughter Margarita was born in Balzan, Malta in 1846. (d'ou la descendance SAMMUT)
then back to tunis :
Angelo Bapt in 1850
and ange Bapt 1852 all in tunis
ils semblent donc originaire de Balzan comme les miens
Re : XUEREB DE TUNIS - juliusborg - 17-11-2011
Il n'y a pas de quois, Josyanne. Je pense que Frank Sammut verras cette reponse car c'est lui qui est interessait a savoir.
Cheers, Julius Borg, the Maltese of Egypt family tree man
P.S. I have now reached the 4/5 of a century, the memory is not as good as it used to be. Please do not hesitate to remind me of any questions/queries you may have put to me and I have not answered.